Tactics and Substance in the 2004 Elections GoogleNews: Howard Dean

January 9, 2004

by V

No Thank You, Mary Beth

I was the lucky recipient of an automated call from Kerry campaign manager Mary Beth Cahill the other night, asking me to help John Kerry in Iowa and New Hampshire by writing letters, or traveling to one of the states, or donating money and so forth. (I once did something to get on Kerry's list of friendly people, which has resulted in an amusingly scattershot assortment of e-mails.)

You would think that since it's a recorded call, they would have taken some care with how the speaker sounds; that she would make sure to sound enthused about getting people to work hard to win the contest for her candidate, etc. etc.

Nope; she spoke in little better than a monotone, even when she said things like "It'll be fun, and you'll be helping John Kerry to win" (paraphrased, but 'fun' was definitely in the script).

So, wow, I'm so inspired now... to make sure that isn't the team we bring to the general election fight. If your campaign manager can't sound interested on a recorded phone call, I don't want you leading the charge.
Posted by V at January 9, 2004 08:13 AM
Comments

Mary Beth Cahill,Please phone me at (276)523-4777 or e-mail me at sweizman@verizon.net at the earliest. I am an attorney at law and have structured a program under which Sen. John Kerry will be assured to be elected President. This is a real program. Neither you nor I have any time to waste. I am prepared to provide a summary of this program at this time. Full details to be made available thereafter. Under the subject prgram no other democratic candidate or George Bush could match the benefits of this program which includes funding for Sen Kerry in a sum over twice that to be avilable to George Bush.Please be assured that this funding is not in violation of pertinent laws and regulations. Time is, of course, of the essence. In the event that you cannot respond to this opportunity perhaps Jeanne Shaheen or another trusted member of the Kerry camp can respond.

Posted by: Sheldon S. Weitzman at January 29, 2004 05:24 PM

Mary Beth Cahill:
The national debht did not start with the Bush
presidency, It started when the Democrats controlled Congress,Senate and Presidency for 40 years, get your facts before you talk.
Kerry is a trator along with Fonda.
Ferd L Jones

Posted by: Fred L Jones at February 20, 2004 07:02 PM

Mary Beth Cahill:
The national debht did not start with the Bush
presidency, It started when the Democrats controlled Congress,Senate and Presidency for 40 years, get your facts before you talk.
Kerry is a trator along with Fonda.
Ferd L Jones

Posted by: Fred L Jones at February 20, 2004 07:02 PM

Mary Beth;
No matter what, George W. Bush needs to be removed as President of the United States of America before your once great country succumbs to more fraud and vicious untruths by this common criminal.
It is up to you now to generate a true message as well as a strategy to do just this.
It is up to you now to demonstrate with your learned wisdom to Mr. Kerry how this is going to be done before the present occupant of the White House runs your campaign into the ground by new false innuendo and the feared up-in-coming
revelation of the capture of 'a Osama Bin Laden' which is a guarantee to happen.
(I am amazed Osamas capture hasn't yet been announced by Bushs representative in Iraq Mr. Bremer.)

The United States and its freedom and truth seeking people have only you and your subject to count on.
If this fails, welcome to the United States of more Bush nightmares.
Mr. Kerry may not be the cream of the crop for this job to the many who seek a new choice, but I read into his messages a certain patriotism which is long overdue.
The Democrats are the only answer.

Posted by: John Grabner at February 25, 2004 10:32 AM

Would you be so kind as to give me Mary Beth Cahill e-mail adress

Thanks for coop

Maurice A. DUPUIS 33 (0)607485991

Posted by: Maurice A. DUPUIS at March 12, 2004 01:37 AM

Dear Ms. Cahill,

I like John Kerry, but I don't know what he stands for. I do know this: should your team choose John Edwards as his running mate, it would become abundantly clear to me where he stands.
John Edwards is the king of a group called greedy personal injury lawyers; his Pennsylvania contingent has all but destroyed access to health care in Pennsylvania by demanding out-of-this world punitive damages, of which they pocket 40% to 60%, forcing physicians and healthcare workers to order ever more expensive tests to protect against suits; chasing doctors and others out of the State so they are free to practice medicine and care for sick people in less hostile environs.
The same exact doc who has to pay a mandatory
med-mal premium of $100,000 here in PA can move to a state with caps on punitive damages and pay $20,000. What's wrong with this picture?

John Edwards says he's a millworker's son who's achieved the American dream through hard work. Bank robbers and mob bosses can say the same thing. The truth as I see it is John Edwards earned his millions on the backs of the American people by taking away their access to good doctors and health care services.

Come to Philadelphia and you'll find that within the past three months 3 jackpot jury awards totalling $55 million were given away, most of it to personal injury lawyers. Read the Wall Street Journal's article about the "Pennsylvania Premium". We've lost 1,700 physicians within the past few years. Which would you rather have when you're ill or dying? A doctor or a trial lawyer?

All of us involved in medicine will carry the torch against John Edwards and his kind should Mr. Kerry choose him as a running mate.

Yours truly,

A. Genna

Posted by: Anna Genna at March 14, 2004 09:20 AM

John Kerry stands for everything except the people of the United States of America. We do not want a leader whose number one campaign slogan is "Other world leaders want me to win!" Leaders of other nations support a presidential candidate when it's in their own best interest. They believe Kerry will weaken our nation.

Only a fool would believe that France, Germany, Russia and now Spain want a more powerful and stable United States. As Europe moves closer to a purely socialist government, their dream is for Kerry to become president and weaken our defense. Not so they can defeat us, but so they can ignore us.

Jobs and deficits will be the least of our worries if Kerry is elected.

Sincerely,
J Simons Jr.

Posted by: J Simons at March 17, 2004 11:35 AM

Too much foolishness to waste time rebutting...

Posted by: J at March 17, 2004 12:37 PM

John Kerry stands for socialism, socialism is just communism wrapped in some pretty paper.

Ms. Cahill, if you are so for abortion thru the ninth month, may I ask you a question? Have you ever seen an abortion, especially during those late months? If you had, you would not be on a band wagon to make them legal.

Women like you who degrade us by saying we should be "in control of our bodies" sickens me. What happened to compassion and value for human life.

Posted by: Roberta Lester at March 30, 2004 01:21 PM

It fascinates me that people come to this page and comment as though they are speaking directly to Ms. Cahill.

It's like we're a shrine to Mary. Please, burn a candle and leave some flowers...

Plus, of course, there's the jaw-dropping stupidity of them... Who's telling Roberta that Kerry and Cahill support abortion in the ninth month... Rush? (And she believes it?)

Kerry sure comes across as a free-market capitalist; Roberta doesn't share her source for Kerry's 'socialism'. Probably would have a hard time defining the word, even. (Not to mention, socialism and communism are rather different beasts.)

Caricatures, madam! False and weightless caricatures.

Posted by: V at March 30, 2004 01:44 PM

Comments like the ones on this website clearly demonstrate the need to better educate our population.

Mary Beth Cahill is light years ahead of you guys.

Posted by: BBK at April 2, 2004 08:54 PM

i was just wondering when fred thought there had ever been a democrat in the white house for 40 consecutive years? in fact, when has there ever been a democratic congress for 40 consecutive years (at least since ww2 anyway)? and no, the house is not congress, it's one half of congress, so that doesn't count. presidents sign budgets do they not? no budget that i'm aware of has ever become law over the veto of a president, so each budget a president signs is as much his responsibility as those in congress that voted in favor of that particular budget, that includes republicans as well as democrats, and any argument to the contrary is ludicrous. whatever you think of bill clinton or w, it's clear that the deficit was at least coming under control during clintons tenure, and has since spiraled out of control during w's tenure, and it would be doing so even if 9-11 hadn't happened, because discretionary spending has increased substantially under our current administration. partisan spin is boring, and makes its spinners look foolish, so how about we all take a step back, and approach the issues objectively, ok? if you can't do that, you need not open your mouth, because you're only wasting everyones time.

Posted by: josh at April 7, 2004 06:12 PM

"Nations do not have permanent friends, they have permanent interests" -DeGaulle.

In a world where many countries compete to satisfy their own interests, you can bet that if those countries really want Mssr. Kerry, it is NOT in our interest. France supported the United States during the Revolution because it was in THEIR interest, and old Ben really had to work them, to boot.
So for Mssr Kerry to suggest in such a facile manner that the leaders of other nations want him, is clear evidence that Kerry is not in our best interest as CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES. I don't much like Bush, but there is something peculiar about you Dems when you wet yourselves over disgusting UN racketeers and their crowd of tin-pot, murderous dictatorships (was that 68 at last count, or 86?) Perhaps your pretensions of intellectual insight, combined with your greed and close association with public employee and other union taxpayer looters (another form of dictatorship) blinds you to how the world works; so perhaps you should all go live in France. You'd be happier there, wouldn't you? No? Then how about that Poster Child of Socialism, Sweden, where it's own government has (sort of)admitted that the average citizen (most citizens) now has a real income that has fallen to is about the same as in Mississippi (unless they also work in the highly productive "gray economy"). Ohhh, I can't wait to live in a socialist economy. Ah, but France, now there's a powerhouse economy that really delivers for the guy in the street, where if you work hard, you have at least a chance to achieve your dreams, ha,ha,ha... (Oh...and France delivers nuclear weapons plants to a madman like Saddam...remember? Cash, as it turns out, is King, even in France, but shhhh! let's not go there!)
You people are not just pompous parasites and posers, you're also Stalin's "useful idiots". Which is why Kerry isn't going to make it. Because those of us who actually make things instead of manipulating and feeding off of others just don't buy your assine pretensions that you want a better world; or rather, we understand that most of you DO want a better world...... for yourselves, and you'd like the rest of us to pay for it.

Posted by: Godzerra at April 9, 2004 09:00 AM

"you can bet that if those countries really want Mssr. Kerry, it is NOT in our interest"

This unsubstantiated and illogical assertion is... as the French say.... just so much bullshit.

The rest of this post is equally supremely moronic (including the appellation "you Dems" on a site written by political independents), not even worth the electrons I'm spending to post this comment.


Yawn. Smarter wingnuts, please.

Posted by: J at April 9, 2004 09:31 AM

You no, even America is better off w/o John Kerry
i can not tell you Ms.Cahill,how much i would
love to see this Kerry guy get lost,and hope he returns to mass...How could anyone vote for a man opposes everthing America needs...how could a person have a heart to vote for kerry when he let his own daughter down,by opposing The Fetus Law for Pregnant Women...John Kerry: is the only candidate i know,has flip flopped & changed his speech around... Ever single day, In different States.Their is something wrong with this picture
vote John Kerry out....he don't need to be a President...He even opposed Military Needs,& Healthcare,Oppposed Military Pay Raises 12 times...But, he states.. every single day.. He is for the people, for Healthcare...LOL..
Vote John Kerry, Out..He is a Loser.. A LOSER

Posted by: Dalrona at April 9, 2004 04:58 PM

Neither John Kerry nor Bush should be elected. Both are obviously more interested in acquiring votes rather than putting forth sincere efforts of morality. Kerry claims to adhere strictly to a set of religious beliefs (Roman Catholic), yet promotes legislation directly against the religion that supposedly defines his core values (example: he recently voted against a bill which promotes charging a person who murders a pregnant woman with 2 counts of murder). Whether or not you are Catholic, this should still be a red flag for you that this man is not one of honesty and integrity.
Bush, on the other hand, claims to be completely pro-life, yet he not only does not stop, but financially supports the terrorist Israeli government in killing Palestinian children (example: Moussad bulldozing homes, shooting at protestors, and forcing Palestinians into refugee camps). Some articles you may want to reference include:

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/children.html

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/budget05.html

and if you want to references sources that may be more familiar to you:


CNN News Corporation. “Israeli Bulldozer Kills American Protestor”. 25 March 2003:
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/16/rafah.death/index.html>.

CNN News Corporation. “UK activist shot by Israelis dies” 14 Jan 2004:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/01/14/britain.activist/index.html


information about U.S. aid to Israel:

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/cost_of_israel.html

These are, of course, not the only places were you can find this information. For example, a fiscal report of U.S. financing of Israel can also be found at the U.S. Consensus Bureau official website.

A common rebuttal against those who speak out against the atrocities resulting from American support of Israeli terrorism is an accusation of anti-Semitism. It is sad that I have to defend myself against this claim, since it has nothing to do with my concern for human rights, but nonetheless, I will assure you, I am not an anti-Semite. "By way of deception, thou shalt do war", the official motto of Israel's military, has very little to do with the true teachings of Judaism.

In fact, members of Israel's own army (who are obviously Jews) are beginning to speak out against Sharon's policies, yet politicians in this country continue to support him:

http://www.madison.com/captimes/opinion/column/nichols/64192.php

(If you can't access it, type in "Israelis Against Sharon Policies Are Right” into google.com).

Both Bush and Kerry support Israel's atrocious violation of human rights. While it is true that Palestine has suicide bombers, it is also true that Israelis use similar offensive tactics. The bottom line is, the U.S. should not be funding a nation like Israel. Israel receives the most foreign aid from the U.S., and the U.S. gives Israel more foreign aid than it gives to any other country.

Bush claims to be fighting this war on Iraq for the sake of ousting terrorism, yet he simultaneously pays for terrorism in another county. As a result, he maintains his position in office and gains big points (and campaign funding) from AIPAC. It is time America wakes up and realizes what is happening.

Neither of these candidates are true to their word. Don't vote for either of them. Voting for a 3rd party candidate who's views and values coincide with your own is not a wasted vote, as many fear. It is sending the message that Americans will not stand for violation of human rights in any form.

I am just a senior in high school, but I can tell you that I see through both of these candidates. Please do the same. While it is true that the nation's youth is the future, it is also true that current adults are affecting the future right now in the present.

Posted by: cathy at April 16, 2004 09:51 PM

Dalrona,

Were you educated in whole or in part under President Bush's "Leave No Child Behind?" I cannot begin to understand what you wrote.

Posted by: Chris at April 21, 2004 03:02 PM

I have just read American Dynasty (Aristocracy,Fortune and the Politics of Deceit in the House of Bush) by Kevin Phillips ( a former longtime Republican ). He describes how four generations of Bush (and Walker ) Men have been involved in Arms dealing, Financing of wars, Covert Operations, a Culture of Secrecy, Deceit and Misinformation. The book describes the Rise of the Religeous Right, willingness to insert biblical theology into foreign policy of this Administration. Also points out Machiavellian influence in their "Compassionate Conservative"
rhetoric. A very important book.

Posted by: Trudy Loomans at April 26, 2004 01:36 PM

What with this record of "J F K" Kerry? He was in the country for four months received three wounds and pneumonia? Who did the write up for the Valor award? John? In one report Kerry the skipper of the boats beaches the boat, chases a Viet Cong into the jungle and shoots him DEAD! What about all the other guys on the swift boat? What were they doing? Smoking and joking, having a beer?

Four months is roughly 120 days. He has managed to do a lot in those 120 days. I am having a hard time believing this. As a veteran of two wars and a few minor ones, as a veteran I would vote for every defense thing that came my way. Kerry as a veteran has not voted for one bill. He wants the UN to do it. The UN cannot guard a roadblock let alone fight a battle.

Kerry is not a shipmate's, and not a leader. His record in Vietnam speaks volumes of his ability to lead. When the opportunity came, he ran away from his troops. He begs to get out early because he wanted to be a politician. He ran on the anti-war platform and used his shipmates as his planks. Kerry could not figure out how to do a "Clinton" or find a National Guard Unit who wanted him.

John Kerry lives off the lives of other. He is not a JFK, regardless of his parents' idea of naming him. He is not a PT109 Skipper, he is not even the same level as the Skipper on Gilligan's Island, even he stays with the S.S. Minnow and worked to save his crew! What a choice we have this election, is this the best of Democrats? Why can’t the best of America step forwarded and lets select the best candidate! Out of seven or more clowns that ran for the Democratic the party would have been better served by selecting a Republican for a candidate.

Posted by: Ric~ at May 5, 2004 11:47 AM

Thank you Senator Kerry for your dedication to our country, and for bringing us hope for the future.

Your speech today (5/6/04) in California today was superb.

It's awesome that our next President can lace up the skates and play hockey with us. Senator, you ROCK !!!

Posted by: NHL Hockey Player at May 6, 2004 05:25 PM

Got an email from Move-on.org. A communist organization if there was one. Zach and Pat and whomever are calling for Rumsfield to resign along with a bunch of other Left-wing hypocrites.
I would like to remind every one that Kerry did much worse than what most of the MPs in the prison are charged with. Kerry claimed to have witnessed war atrociites and indeed participated in them and as an officer he should have charged those people with War Crimes and turned himself in. Yet he wants a Man, who is 6000 miles away and fighting two wars with millions of people under his charge to resign for the actions of a dozen low ranking people. Anybody who believes this should be kicked out of my beloved country. Go to Canada!
Now Janet Reno should have resigned over Waco and the Elian Gonzalez fiascos but to even think that the Secretary of Defense is responsible for this is idiotic. Mary Cahill and any Kerry supporters should look at their candidate closer before mouthing off. BUSH in 2004

Posted by: Kenneth Jones at May 8, 2004 05:50 PM

I have a school project. I wrote an essay, and now I must send a persuading letter to someone who can make a difference. I tried Bush's campaign manager and found nothing. Please reply. If I can find Mary Beth Cahill's e-mail address or address it would be great!

Thank you,
-Alex

Posted by: Alex at May 10, 2004 06:09 PM

would like to have Mary Beth Cahill e-mail address

Posted by: robert walker at May 12, 2004 11:38 AM

One of the weirder threads I've seen in awhile.

People, read!!!

Almost worth leaving it open just for amusement's sake...

Posted by: J at May 12, 2004 11:41 AM

Indeed.

Hey, everyone who wants to communicate with the Kerry Campaign, whether it's for a "homework" assignment or whatever:

Here's a novel idea, try commenting on the Kerry Blog.

No, you don't get a link, you'll have to Google for it yourself. Or look in the sidebar. Or - well, look, just do something for yourself, OK? We're not here to be everyone's training wheels.

Posted by: V at May 12, 2004 11:46 AM

It's incredible that the republicans tried for eight years to destroy President Clinton for a deal in which he and his wife LOST money and all they found was a sexual indiscretion. Meanwhile Bush has lied about Iraq’s link to terrorist and WMD’s. Is this not impeachable? My twin brother in-laws will be over in Iraq after the 4th of July and if anything happens to them I will hold Bush responsible. This is the most corrupt administration since Nixon.

Posted by: Kevin Troy at June 30, 2004 12:40 PM

we are all domed if this kerry gets in,a nation can survive its fools,and the ambitious.But it cannot surive treason from within,An enemy at the gates is less formidable,for he is known and carries a banneropenly,but the traitor moves amoungst those with in the gate freely.

Posted by: Dennis OLeary at July 1, 2004 07:24 AM

Let us know when the drugs wear off, Dennis, and you come back near the realm of reality.

Oh, and I have four words for you: Ahmed Chalabi; Valerie Plame.

Posted by: J at July 1, 2004 08:18 AM

I sat in the Radio City Music Hall hoping for some strong appeal. I got old rocksters and washed up commedians and a presidential candidate telling me that they represent the "heart and soul" of America who think Bush is a "thug" (good one Johnny)and a liar (is THAT all you got Chevy?). I'm a democrat, but I also fear another terror disaster, and I'm tired of seeing the ACLU take ALL of our liberties away and frankly I think panties on the head of a killer is NOT all that bad compared with beheadings. When you leave the hornet's nest alone, it is calm and peaceful - but it grows. If you attack and kill it, you do indeed stir things up. Courage is important, and we don't seem to have much of that in our politicians these days. Bush is not a person I am fond of, but by God he has courage...and he's not a liar that I can see - just a guy who believes the intel he gets from a spy agency that has been decimated for 30 years. I'm not switching parties, but I AM switching votes. I'm sorry Kerry and Edwards is the best we've got...and I've lived too long in Arkansas to EVER trust or vote for another Clinton. I'll take guts and courage. And don't forget how much Lincoln was hated and despised by his own people in the North as well as the South...he almost lost reelection! What do you think of HIM now?

Posted by: James at July 14, 2004 10:08 AM

Uh huh. So James: you, an undecided voter, nonetheless gave a big chunk of money to John Kerry just so you could get into a concert, and expected to hear an appeal tailored to an undecided person?

Riiiiiight.

Goodness, it seems to me you'd have saved a lot of money and time just by visiting his website. Or downloading his latest stump speech from C-SPAN.

And what drugs were you on when you came up with "I'm tired of seeing the ACLU take ALL of our liberties away"? Man, I'm so tired of the U.S. Army invading America!

Smarter trolls, please.

Or at least more coherent.

Posted by: V at July 14, 2004 10:19 AM

When has George Dubya ever demonstrated "courage" and what Fox-inspired definition of the word are people who think that Dubya is "courageous" using?

Talk is cheap. Talk is for bullies. Dubya talks tough and sends other people to die and then cuts their benefits and refuses to attend their funerals. Yeah, real courageous.

Dubya sat stunned for several minutes with a bunch of gradeschoolers before exhibiting his "courage" and running off to Nebraska (or wherever) on air force one on 9/11. Is that what they mean by courage?

How I long for the days when words used to mean things.

Posted by: J at July 14, 2004 10:49 AM

The worst thing that can happen for freedom in Iraq and peace prospects in the world is for Kerry to be elected. The worst thing that can happem to doctors and hospitals, and thus us normal people, is to let that slimy class-action lawyer Edwards win.

If they think that Whoopi Goldberg, John Mellencam, Chevy Chase and Paul Newmans opinion, calling the President a thug, a liar, a killer, and all sorts of other sexual innuendo are what the typical American thinks then we need to enlighten them by not voting for the.

The scum of political ponds is aptly represented by Kerry, Edwards, Kennedy, Clinton, the Hollywood celebrity crew, and the rest of the Liberal Democratic scum.

Posted by: Mike at July 14, 2004 03:17 PM

Event: 9/11
Decision: Invade Iraq
Logic: WMD, ties with Al-Qaeda
Result: Royal mess in Iraq based on false information. Wrong decision.

Event: Faltering economy
Decision: Cut taxes (top 1% earners gets 25% benefit)
Logic: Reinvestment in American Jobs
Result: Tax benefits not invested / invested overseas
Result: More than a million net jobs lost. Wrong decisions.

Event: Healthcare reform
Decision: NOTHING
Logic: Not interested in solving real problems
Result: Wrong decision.

Event: Education reform
Decision: No child left behind policy (essentially a cut in education budget)
Logic: Reduce burden of education on budget
Result: WRONG decision


YES Pres. Bush is decisive. He is just decisively wrong.

Posted by: Rahul at July 14, 2004 03:34 PM

During the "Winter Soldier investigation" John Kerry said he committed war crimes in Vietnam.

Could you elaborate?

And could you explain to me why I should elect a Commander in Chief who has committed war crimes?

Thanks.

Posted by: Tony Lee at July 19, 2004 08:08 AM

What a Huge Bunch of Hypocrites these Democrats are under John Kerry. While it's all right for them to finance and support MovingOn.org, George Soro’s and his hundreds of 527's, it's not all right for Bush to agree with the Swift Boat Vets. Well as a Viet Vet I can tell you Mary Beth Cahill & John Kerry that you are not going to shut me up, EVER, and you aren’t going to Shut up the Majority of Vets out here, EVER, except those Sell outs you’ve managed to sway to your side of how to see the World. The fact is that John Kerry is one of the Biggest Traitors to the US Military, and America, living in this country, with the other being Jane Fonda, and if Kerry would authorize the release of his OFFICIAL MILITARY records, the Proof lays within.

And while were at it, why won’t you release your official Military Transcripts & Records, John Kerry? Just what are you trying to hard to HIDE?

All your double standards are doing Ms Cahill & John Kerry is showing people out here what a Bunch of Lying Flakes you two are, and if you think we are all as stupid as you assume us to be, come see on Election day just how many Stupid people are really out here.

Posted by: Helder A. at August 25, 2004 05:48 PM

Speaking of TROLL'S, V, or J, and all your other guise’s, are the Biggest one I see posting here.

Talk about some one too lame to check out the facts, before buying into 'Sound Bytes' put forth by the Richest and Greediest Liars in this Country.

How about the fact that John Kerry's attacks against the military are what's really responsible for some of the American Lives being lost in Iraq, only in so far as it's what is forcing the military to temper it's responses to the Terrorists actions over there. George W lied about Iraq's links to Terrorists in Iraq, did he? So where did all the terrorists that are over there RIGHT NOW, beheading people in the name of Al Queda come from, you Drip?

Why is that your camp screams loudest, and is still screaming good and loud about the Abu Ghraib prison terrorist rights, then they are about the lives of each and every one of Americas Sons & Daughters loosing their lives to these same people? Probably because you have no idea what it’s like to loose someone you love, while at the same time, TRAITORS Like John Kerry & Jane Fonda are out in front of the Base calling those same loved ones, criminals and murderers.

Yeah, I'll bet a gutless wonder like you is tired of seeing the US Military invading America, Socialists like you would much rather have the Russian Army, or the Chinese Armies, or, better yet, the Muslims Hordes invading our homes. I'd even go so far as to bet that you've never been in actual combat, or made any other sacrifice for this country. Unfortunately, we soft hearted Americans have allowed to many ungrateful idiots like you to foster within our borders, for too long, Hell, we even invite them in by the millions every year. But before you go counting your scalps, be advised that it may well come down to the point where WE the majority of Americans have to forcibly remove your kind from this land, by what ever means necessary, violent, or otherwise. Being a gullible fool & running of at the mouth about things you know little about seems to be what you do best, and the fact that you don’t even identify yourself as a real world person, pretty much says that you’re not to be taken serious and nothing more than an insignificant fool. Your responses make that all too obvious.

What amazes me about your kind is that Bush can do no right, and yet a Hypocrite & Visible Liar like Kerry can do no wrong, even when it's right there for the reading that all these smear campaign adds started with Kerry, and why should a Lawyer on the Bush campaign have to resign for assisting other Viet Vets, when Kerry openly admits his lawyers do the same for Moveon.org, and all the other communist and socialist groups spouting lies every day to the American people. What many people fail to realize is that this is a covert attempt by the likes of Socialist Billionaires, Like that Socialist Jew, George Soros, and others of his ilk, to take America down to the same level as Sweden, France, and other socialist nations where there are the Rich who run everything, and there there’s everyone else.

I'm not a big fan of George W either, but I'd take him and the Defense of this nation, over Kerry's "lets please everyone else, but Americans, and give it all away', Kerry, any day.

I have witnessed many Presidential campaigns in my lifetime, but I have never seen one so shameless and Phony as the one you Democrats are running this time around. I have never seen such scandalous gutter tactics used in a Presidential Campaign. But be warned; actions speak a lot louder then words, and if you think to sell us out, I can promise you that our response to you and yours will be one of serious actions directed at whom we identify as an enemy, and not a bunch of Lies.

Posted by: Helder A. at August 25, 2004 08:02 PM

Been seeing these commercials for a few days now, you know the ones....Swift Boats for Bush....MoveOn.Org for Kerry...etc. The problem I see is the extreme double standard taken by the Kerry campaign about the control of such ads and the financing of these ads. Bush has no "real" control over these ads, just as Kerry has no control over the MoveOn.Org ads. But Kerry wants Bush to condemn the ads by the Swifties, but is unwilling to condemn the ads by Moveon.org that slander Bush. The only person that I have heard take a stand is Bush, who condemns all the ads by 527s, and asked Kerry to join with him to stop ALL the ads. That, however, is not what Kerry wants, he wants Bush to specifically condemn the Swifties and only the Swifties. I got some news for you Kerry, old man. There is a saying that those of us in Middle America know quite well, although you may never have heard it. If you can't take it, don't dish it out. All I hear from Kerry's camp is how so-and-so is connected to so-and-so and they are 2nd cousins with a man who knows Bush's 1st grade teacher, etc. etc. etc. They need to look at their own camp for connection to 527s, they are RAMPANT. Just as interconnected as Bush's, if not more so. Did you hear that a lawyer gave legal advice to both the 527 AND the official campaign.....GASP....it was a lawyer for KERRY. Didn't see that one in the mainstream media did you. It is amazing what a little research will dig up. Kerry and Kerry's camp are just about the biggest hypocrits out there...and I believe with his latest round of whining and talk of banning books (real American of ya'), that the American people are waking up to the fact that Kerry, his lefty liberals, and socialist (take care of everybody including the red toad) Hollywood celebrities do not represent what is right for the United States of America.

Posted by: D at August 25, 2004 09:38 PM

A mind is a terrible thing to waste. Like many of the posters here. C'mon, people, THINK FOR YOURSELVES!

Whatever happend to critical thinking? A lie, repeated often enough and in the face of the facts, is still a lie.

Posted by: Leper Messiah at August 25, 2004 09:49 PM

Lots of lies and misrepresentations in recent posts here. Here's just one example:

"Kerry wants Bush to condemn the ads by the Swifties, but is unwilling to condemn the ads by Moveon.org that slander Bush."

That's a lie. First, I disagree that Moveon "slandered" Bush. Second, Kerry did speak out against MoveOn's ad.

Will Bush supporters ever stop lying?

Posted by: J at August 25, 2004 09:53 PM

My favorite part of this wacky thread was reading about how V and J are trolling on their own site. The people posting in this thread are far too ignorant to even locate their polling place...save your breath, V & J.

Posted by: BZ at August 26, 2004 10:30 AM

Sheesh.

How come V&J get alla the good trolls?

They never come to our blog. (pout)

Posted by: carla at August 26, 2004 03:31 PM

Lots of Lies and Misrepresentations, hey, J?
Well the following carefully researched Flyer is based on FACTS, that are a matter of public record. So, before you stick your foot into your mouth again, J, I’d make it a point to go read these Facts for yourself before you start labeling them as Lies.

A REMINDER OF WHAT WE ARE VOTING FOR

Name this country

709,000 REGULAR (ACTIVE DUTY) PERSONNEL.

293,000 RESERVE TROOPS.

EIGHT STANDING ARMY DIVISIONS.

20 AIR FORCE AND NAVY AIR WINGS WITH 2,000 COMBAT AIRCRAFT

232 STRATEGIC BOMBERS.

19 STRATEGIC BALLISTIC MISSILE SUBMARINES WITH 3,114 NUCLEAR WARHEADS ON 232 MISSILES.

500 ICBMs WITH 1,950 WARHEADS.

FOUR AIRCRAFT CARRIERS AND 121 SURFACE COMBAT SHIPS AND SUBMARINES PLUS ALL THE SUPPORT BASES, SHIPYARDS, AND LOGISTICAL ASSETS NEEDED TO SUSTAIN SUCH A NAVAL FORCE.

IS THIS COUNTRY-

RUSSIA ? NO

CHINA ? NO

GREAT BRITAIN ? NO

FRANCE ? WRONG AGAIN ( What a Laugh!!!!!)

MUST BE USA ? STILL WRONG (SORT OF)

GIVE UP ?

THESE ARE THE AMERICAN MILITARY FORCES THAT WERE ELIMINATED DURING THE ADMINISTRATION OF BILL CLINTON AND AL GORE.

AND [their elimination] was 100% SUPPORTED BY JOHN KERRY (THESE HE DID VOTE ON)

SLEEP WELL!

This is not a new message, but a reminder of why we now have over-deployed our National Guard and Reserve Units.


HE SAID CHECK THE RECORD

Sen. John Kerry, Democrat from Massachusetts says he is the strongest Presidential Candidate on National Defense ! He said Check the Record..

We Did !

Here is what we learned:

He voted to kill the Bradley Fighting Vehicle

He voted to kill the M-1 Abrams Tank

He voted to kill every Aircraft carrier laid down from 1988

He voted to kill the Aegis anti aircraft system

He voted to Kill the F-15 strike eagle

He voted to Kill the Block 60 F-16

He voted to Kill the P-3 Orion upgrade

He voted to Kill the B-1

He voted to Kill the B-2

He voted to Kill the Patriot anti Missile system

He voted to Kill the FA-18

He voted to Kill the B-2

He voted to Kill the F117

He voted to kill every military appropriation for the development and deployment of every weapons systems since 1988, including a bill for battle armor for our troops.

It is most likely, with Sen. John Kerry as President and Commander in Chief of our Armed Services, that they will cease to function making it impossible for our country to protect itself.

John Kerry voted to kill all anti-terrorism activities of each and every agency of the U.S. Government.

He voted to cut the funding of the FBI by 60%.

He voted to cut the funding for the CIA by 80%.

He voted to cut the funding for the NSA by 80%.

THEN, and this is abhorrent to almost every American Voter be you Democrat, Republican or Independent, he voted to increase OUR funding for U.N operations by 800%!!

Ask yourself Is THIS the person you want as President of these United States providing for the Common Defense of the Nation and be the leader of the Free World ?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Voting history can be accessed through Senate voting records.

The above is an accurate summary.

Posted by: Helder A. at August 27, 2004 05:42 PM

Yawn.

I think I'll take BZ's advice.

Helder clearly doesn't understand the legislative process (of course, neither does his hero chickenhawk George Bush) and has other Issues besides.

Posted by: J at August 27, 2004 06:46 PM

So, J, is that the best you can come up with?

I expected a much more intelligent and factual rebuttal, coming from someone who’s so ‘Savvy’ on how things really work.

LOL.

But since you're such an expert on chicken hawks, why don't you explain to me why your man was responsible for killing more civilians, then NVA?

What a Grand 4 month tour, Kerry had… I mean what a Superman, hey.... This guy in 4 months won more medals then most men I knew who fought countless battles in 2, and even 3 wars, going back to WWII.

All you need to know is that I was over there too, and when I see his OFFICIAL Military records proving to me that the scuttlebutt I heard was false, then I’ll believe it too…. But of course, Kerry is not about to pull his own covers by EVER letting the truth out, is he?

So what’s he really trying to hide by refusing to release those Records?

I’m not as easily hoodwinked as you Kerry & Fonda Lovers are, and believe it or not, neither are most Americans.


Posted by: Helder A. at August 28, 2004 09:30 PM

So sorry "J", but what I should have said is that Kerry wants Bush to pressure the Swift Boat Veterans to pull their ad, Kerry has NEVER put pressure on Moveon.org to pull their slanderous ads. Bush has never asked Kerry to do so. Bush thinks that all of them should be pulled, yes. Pull just the ones that slander himself, no. Can you understand me now? That is the definition of a DOUBLE STANDARD! Look it up.

Ok see if you can come up with some more names to call people, those who don't actually swallow Kerry's crap hook, line and sinker. Be original and a juvenile as possible this time...

...By the way nice rebuttal to Helder A.

Posted by: David at August 30, 2004 10:55 PM

David.

Whether, or not, that was a compliment, I like your style.

Shows you are a man of intelligent means, and one who is also not so easily duped.... 8~)

Posted by: Helder A. at September 1, 2004 06:12 AM

From what I have heard about the swift boat vets with their ads, is that when the fighting broke out with Kerry's boat being shot at, they turn and headed the other way not wanting to risk engaging the enemy. That accounts for why they did not hear any shots. I guess Rassman only wanted to go for a swim. By the way, since Barbara and Jenna Bush said they are looking for something to do with their life since graduating from college, maybe they should join the military.
Oh, I'm sorry, that's not for them, that's for the others who cannot get a deferment or into the national guard.

Posted by: r.j. homrich at September 2, 2004 09:47 AM

The Vice President was telling Mr. Edwards
the cold hard facts. Face it John Kerry is
weak on defense and a flip flopper. As a member
of the armed forces it would be a very very cold day in hell before I would vote for John Kerry
to be my Commander and Chief!!!

Posted by: Dennis Riccio at October 6, 2004 04:08 AM

I am shocked by the incredible lack of knowledge most americans possess when it comes to the issues surrounding this campaign. Most americans, for instance, do not realize that colin powells' SON is the head of the federal communications commission. This is the branch of the government which controls the media and the airwaves, and which is seeking, under this current administration to alter the rules which limit how many media outlets can be owned by one corporation or individual. A change in these rules would allow, for instance, rupert murdoch, arch conservative owner of fox news to own the majority of the newspapers and television and radio news outlets in any major city, thereby effectively controling the news we americans receive, as well as the news we DO NOT. Most americans also are not aware that the bush administration is granting permits to open up public lands in the rocky mountains and other areas of great natural beauty in america to oil drilling. that this current administration has rolled back environmental protections to what they were 30 years ago. this administration continues to misrepresent the facts, and to lie to the american public. when do we wake up, stand up, and say NO MORE!!!!!!!

Posted by: jw laughery at October 8, 2004 11:38 PM

Earth First - We will mine the other planets later!!!

Tree don't hug back - they just fall on you.

John Kerry is a P***Y!!!

Long Live Bush - 4 more years.

Global warming does'nt exist - and if it did I'd love to walk around in shorts in February!!!
Nuke the Middle East and Stop terrorism

Posted by: Bruce Allen at October 17, 2004 07:06 PM


In response to changing his position on Iraq, WHY doesn't Kerry just say:

My former position was based on information given to me that turned out to be false.
I changed my mind as any intelligent person would do based on the truth.

Posted by: CR at October 26, 2004 05:45 PM

Recommended Reading:

The Politics of Truth: Inside the Lies that Led to War and Betrayed My Wife's CIA Identity: A Diplomat's Memoir
The Politics of Truth... A Diplomat's Memoir


Worse Than Watergate: The Secret Presidency of George W. Bush
Worse Than Watergate: The Secret Presidency of George W. Bush


Against All Enemies by Richard Clarke
Against All Enemies: Inside America's War on Terror


LIES by Al Franken
Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them: A Fair and Balanced Look at the Right


The Great Unraveling
The Great Unraveling


The Great Big Book of Tomorrow
The Great Big Book of Tomorrow


Clinton Wars
The Clinton Wars


Blinded by the Right
Blinded by the Right: The Conscience of an Ex-Conservative


Waging Modern War: Bosnia, Kosovo, and the Future of Combat

Subject to Debate: Sense and Dissents on Women, Politics, and Culture

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The Hunting of the President: The Ten-Year Campaign to Destroy Bill and Hillary Clinton

John Adams

Founding Brothers: The Revolutionary Generation

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