Tactics and Substance in the 2004 Elections GoogleNews: Howard Dean

May 27, 2004

by J

Yummy Poll Results

What have we here? CBS poll that says...

Kerry over Bush by 8 points

Kerry-Edwards over Bush-Cheney by 10 points.

Kerry-McCain over Bush-Cheney by 14 points, driving BC04 into the below 40 ballpark.

Now, I've had a fair bit of wine at a reception tonight, so take everything I type with more than the usual grain of salt and apologies for the typos, but there's still something that appeals to me about Kerry-McCain and something I find dreadfully boring about Kerry-Edwards. Surely John McCain, if push came to shove, would put country over party. Now, if he had run against Gore, I'd've voted for Gore, but even had he won I don't think we'd be in near the cesspool that we're in now.

And I don't think there would be any other better time to try to utterly repudiate the neoconservative and fundamentalist wackos on the Republican right than right now.

Kerry-McCain would be fascinating to watch and still oodles less dangerous than the Bushistas and their cronies. I have little love for the Democratic party as it stands today, so pleas of what it would look like to or mean for Democrats mean little to me. And I have grave concern over the deep divisiveness that has taken strangling root in our culture and our communities. So, a unity ticket does have some appeal to me. These poll numbers don't hurt.

I think Kerry-McCain is even less likely than Kerry-Dean, but both greatly appeal to me for different reasons.

Ultimately, though, 8 points, 10 points, 14 points -- I don't really care. Bush and his incompetent, lying, dangerous, unAmerican administration must go.

Please, John Kerry, get it done.
Posted by J at May 27, 2004 08:45 PM
Comments

I think the Democratic Party has done too much trying to beat the Republicans by being like them. They shouldn't try to beat them by being them, either!

Posted by: Shooter in AZ at May 27, 2004 11:02 PM

Frankly I wish people would just stop talking about McCain as Veep. (1) it isn't going to happen. (2) because of how exciting a McCain choice sounds and because it isn't going to happen, any choice that Kerry eventually does make will seem disappointing by comparison, and (3) all this talk about McCain feeds into the idea that Democrats are weak as leaders. Why? Because if they weren't they wouldn't have to go looking to a REPUBLICAN to give them legitimacy.

Please Please Please stop talking about McCain!

Posted by: Chris Andersen at May 28, 2004 02:24 PM

McCain McCain McCain McCain McCain McCain McCain McCain McCain McCain McCain McCain McCain McCain McCain McCain McCain McCain McCain McCain McCain McCain McCain McCain McCain McCain McCain McCain McCain McCain McCain McCain

There, you crybabies.

What's wrong with McCain?

All the arguments against McCain as VP are pissing me off. How does it evidence weakness in the party to invite a Republican to join a unity ticket? Hello?

First: Nothing says strength like inviting a Republican (who, by the way, is unwelcome in the Pug tent), into the big, ol' Democratic tent. Unless you are willing to accept outsiders into the 'tent' you can just shut up and have mommy change your freakin' diapers, babies.

Second, why say it isn't going to happen? Why can't it? Are the Democrats such an exclusive club that they can't embrace a maverick truth-teller and thorn-in-W's-side? I am a lifelong Democrat, and even *I* voted for McCain in the 2000 Michigan Pug primary--if there was going to be a Pug president, I wanted McCain. I respect and admire the man. Sure, he is a Republican, but he sure as shit ain't a PNAC/NeoCon Goober willing to sell the country down the river or outsource it to India like BushCo/HalliburtonAmericahaters, Inc.

Third, stop pissing yourself over McCain making Kerry look dull, or making other potential VPs seem dull by comparison. Look, whether McCain is considered for VP or not, he will always seem exciting and squeaky-clean compared to the boring old men and slick country lawyers some Dems would like to see riding triumphantly with Long Tall Kerry.

If you took the time to READ THE POLL, you would see that Kerry/McCain is a win-win situation: Kerry maintains his current level of support [read: he doesn't lose support, except maybe from pansy Dems who would like to lose with maybe Edwards or (fuck no, god help us) Gephart], and McCain siphons off SHITLOADS of support that might otherwise go to that Smirking Bastard from Crawford, Texas. Hell, a two-veteran ticket assures a win against those two draft-dodging panty-waists. (And I have to ask, what have you weak-kneed sunshine Democrats got against Vietnam Vets?)

Finally, if you really want to screw W, why not let Kerry do it well and truly by beating him over the head with McCain, whom Bush/Rove ungraciously smeared in 2000 (not to mention that they even smeared McCain's wife)?

Look, Democrats are poised to win. I mean, where are Pug strengths anymore? Clinton/Gore co-opted the Republican cornerstone of fiscal responsibility, leaving them without a leg to stand on. The Constitution and international treaties stand in the way of Pug donors, who have their willies so far up BushCo's collective arse that W's mouth smells of urine. The Republican Party has left McCain behind, and he represents, more and more so, the values of the current **Democratic** Party than he does the Pugs.

Of course, you could always start a Draft Zell Miller for VP campaign. After all, he IS a Democrat from the Must-Win South, isn't he?

Sheesh.

Therefore, I say again:

McCain McCain McCain McCain McCain McCain McCain McCain McCain McCain McCain McCain McCain McCain McCain McCain McCain McCain McCain McCain McCain McCain McCain McCain

Now go gum your Gerbers and fill a diaper for Dubya.

Posted by: Paul Taylor at May 29, 2004 12:20 AM

Heh... what Paul said. Except that I'm not a Dem nor have I ever been one.

A couple days ago I was talking with one of the Project Managers at my work about politics. He volunteered, without me saying one word about McCain, that in his view the GOPers really screwed up not nominating McCain in 2000. He went on to stress that even though he has never voted for a non-Democrat his entire life... that if Bush were to decline the nomination this year and McCain were to get the nod, that he'd vote for McCain in November without any hesitation. I think that speaks volumnes... about Bush, about Kerry, and about McCain.

Posted by: Kevin at May 29, 2004 02:11 PM

Another way to think about this is to ponder whether, given the current dysfunction in government, the current division along party lines is the right one.

Maybe a more interesting axis would be those who believe in the rule of law, the ideals represented by the Constitution, and in striving towards a government as free of corruption and inappropriate influence as possible vs. those (like Bush, Cheney, and practically their entire Administration) who don't.

Posted by: J at May 31, 2004 03:53 PM

I wish that were the way that the divide was being dealt with. I loath the Dem v. GOP battle line. It does as much disservice to the real issues as it does a service.

Posted by: Kevin at June 1, 2004 04:06 PM

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